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Do you have any Tax Experts with expertise on the U.S.  – Canadian Tax Treaty (Tax Treaty).    What would be the cost of a phone consultation to resolve these questions?


 

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I am a citizen and resident of the U.S.A.   I am a self-employed, single person, non-incorporated Business Consultant.   Each year, I consult for numerous companies within the U.S.A., I receive Form 1099-MISC’s (self-employment) for my U.S.A. Consulting Income, and on my U.S. Income Taxes I file a Schedule C for my Consulting Business.

 

In 2007, I did a project for a Canadian Corporation, flying to Toronto each Monday and returning each Friday for a 3 week period, and I performed my consulting in their Corporate Office.   I earned in excess of $10,000, and 15% of my income was withheld for Canadian Income Taxes.   At year end, I received a Form T4A-NR.

 

Per IRS Publication 597 on the Tax Treaty, the Tax Treaty is reciprocal, the same rules applying to both countries.   I called the International Section of the IRS:

-   The IRS considers me to be self-employed (Independent Personal Services)

-   Per Article XIV (Independent Personal Services) of the Tax Treaty, my income from Canada is not taxable in Canada IF a Fixed Base is not regularly available to me within Canada

-   Article V of the Tax Treaty defines a Fixed Base, and I do not have a Fixed Base within Canada

-   The IRS says that I do not owe Canadian Income Tax, and I am entitled to a refund of my withholding.   They also said that if a self-employed Canadian performed 3 weeks of business consulting within the U.S.A., if a Fixed Base did not exist, they would consider the income non-taxable in the U.S.A.

 

I called the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) International Tax Office:

-    Since 15% of my pay was withheld for Canadian Income Tax, the CRA considers the income to be Dependent Personal Services NOT Independent Personal Services.   The CRA does NOT consider me to be self-employed.

-   The CRA says Article XV (Dependent Personal Services), not Article XIV (Independent Personal Services) applies to me, and the income is taxable within Canada, regardless of the status of a Fixed Base.

 

Since the same rules are supposed to apply to both countries:

-   Am I self-employed?

-   Does Article XIV (Independent Personal Services) or Article XV (Dependent Personal Services) of the Tax Treaty apply to me?

-   Is the income taxable within Canada OR am I entitled to a refund of the 15% withholding.

 

IF the income IS NOT taxable within Canada, what documentation do I need to submit to support deducting all my Canadian income on Line 256 of the Canadian Income Tax return, to receive a refund of my 15% withholding?

 

IF the income IS taxable within Canada:

-   Do I use a Non-Resident Tax Package, or since all of the income was earned in Ontario, do I use an Ontario Tax Package?

-   The CRA says since I performed Dependent Personal Services, I should report the income on Line 101.   Since I consider myself to be self-employed, I would like to report the income on Lines 164 and 137, and deduct a prorated share (based on income) of my business overhead (cell phone, Internet service provider, business insurance, laptop computer depreciation, etc.).   Is there a way to deduct a prorated portion of my business overhead on my Canadian Income Tax?

-   I put 10% of my income into a SEP-IRA in the U.S.A.   I don’t see a way to deduct 10% of my Canadian income from my Canadian Income Taxes, for my contribution to my U.S. SEP-IRA contribution.

-   Since all the work was performed in Ontario, am I required to pay Ontario Income Taxes?


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david ingram replies:

I should not answer this because it is too specific and does not fit into the general population.

For the record, Article XIV of the US Canada Tax Treaty was canceled (effective Jan 1, 2008) on September 22, 2007. It is fair to assume that the following will give you the main reason.

Because, the real question is 'how did you come to Canada to work'.  If you  are not a Canadian citizen, you must have come as an employee with a working visa.  If it was a NAFTA 'one day' visa, you are clearly an employee, even if for a short time, because the first rule for NAFTA visas is that you can NOT be self employed.

Any other visa and you have to be an employee as well unless you come as a business class with a $400,000 investment which would allow you to be self employed.  The rules are the same for me to go and work in the US at someone's premises for a day, a week, a month or a year.

It is possible for you to come to Canada or myself to go to the US as a self-employed consultant if we do not do any productive work in the other country.

It is perfectly okay for me to go to Chicago or St Louis and gather information.  I can then bring the information back to Canada and prepare my report, write a computer program, or send a mailout, etc from Canada. 

You could do the same thing as a self employed person.  You could come across the border, gather information, and take it back to the US to 'do' the work.  You could even sit at a desk in their office gathering the information.  However, without a visa, the second you started giving advice or making a change to a computer program, etc., you would be illegal without a specific working visa.

So the answer is you are taxable in Canada as an employee.

If you had earned less than $10,000 you would not owe tax and could apply for the refund under Article XV.  However, if you earned $10,001, you would owe tax to Canada on the whole $10,001.

You should file a Canadian tax return and for the record, will owe MORE tax to Canada.

All is not lost however, because you can claim credit for the tax paid to Canada on US form 1116.

Happy to look after it for you if needed.  You will find it difficult to find anyone.

This has been free.  If you phone to talk about it I have a minimum charge of $450.00 for an up to one hour consultation.

If you then decide to have it done, I would likely charge another $500.00 Cdn.

If you just send it to us, the fee would likely be $500.00 to prepare the Canadian Non-resident return as described.
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This is not intended to be definitive but in general I am quoting $900 to $3,000 for a dual country tax return.
$900 would be one T4 slip one W2 slip one or two interest slips and you lived in one country only (but were filing both countries) - no self employment or rentals or capital gains - you did not move into or out of the country in this year.
 
$1,200 would be the same with one rental
 
$1,300 would be the same with one business no rental
 
$1,300 would be the minimum with a move in or out of the country. These are complicated because of the back and forth foreign tax credits. - The IRS says a foreign tax credit takes 1 hour and 53 minutes.
 
$1,600 would be the minimum with a rental or two in the country you do not live in or a rental and a business and foreign tax credits  no move in or out

$1,700 would be for two people with income from two countries

$3,000 would be all of the above and you moved in and out of the country.
 
This is just a guideline for US / Canadian returns
 
We will still prepare Canadian only (lives in Canada, no US connection period) with two or three slips and no capital gains, etc. for $200.00 up.
 
With a Rental for $400, two or three rentals for $550 to $700 (i.e. $150 per rental) First year Rental - plus $250.
 
A Business for $400 - Rental and business likely $550 to $700
 
And an American only (lives in the US with no Canadian income or filing period) with about the same things in the same range with a little bit more if there is a state return.
 
Moving in or out of the country or part year earnings in the US will ALWAYS be $900 and up.
 
TDF 90-22.1 forms are $50 for the first and $25.00 each after that when part of a tax return.
 
8891 forms are generally $50.00 to $100.00 each.
 
18 RRSPs would be $900.00 - (maybe amalgamate a couple)
 
Capital gains *sales)  are likely $50.00 for the first and $20.00 each after that.

Catch - up returns for the US where we use the Canadian return as a guide for seven years at a time will be from $150 to $600.00 per year depending upon numbers of bank accounts, RRSP's, existence of rental houses, self employment, etc. Note that these returns tend to be informational rather than taxable.  In fact, if there are children involved, we usually get refunds of $1,000 per child per year for 3 years.  We have done several catch-ups where the client has received as much as $6,000 back for an $1,800 bill and one recently with 6 children is resulting in over $12,000 refund. 

This is a guideline not etched in stone.  If you do your own TDF-90 forms, it is to your advantage. However, if we put them in the first year, the computer carries them forward beautifully.
 
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